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The Chairman advised that two Motions had been received for this meeting and that each Motion would be considered individually; he moved to the first Motion and in accordance with the Council's Constitution it was proposed and seconded "That the Motion be discussed immediately". On it being put to the vote the Motion was carried and the Motion was therefore duly discussed.
Councillor Beavan stated that Southwold Harbour had been a war zone ever since Waveney District Council had taken it over in 1974; he thanked the Head of Operations for the work that he had undertaken and then referred to the newly formed Harbour Management Committee which he said had accepted the Port's Good Governance Guidance but added that the Board and its Committees needed to have the appropriate balance of skills, experience, independence and knowledge. Councillor Beavan stated that he had persuaded local stakeholders to bury their hatchets and trust the Council. Councillor Beavan stated that he had offered his services as one of the five Council representatives; he did not feel that it was appropriate to take an Independent's place as he was a councillor. Councillor Beavan then referred to the ESC Cabinet Members who had been appointed to the Committee, and questioned their skills, suggesting that they had been appointed for their Cabinet positions and not their skills. Councillor Beavan stated that there was no room for anyone who knew about caravan sites, which was where the revenue cams from, and no room for himself, the local ward member, who had maritime skills.
Councillor Beavan commented that it would have been so much better if everyone could have worked together, without party politics; he referred to Committees and the Community Partnership Board with Conservative members; Councillor Patience no longer being appointed to the Flood Board after 10 years, and the Scrutiny Committee which he said only appointed Conservative members.
Councillor Beavan quoted from the first speech of the Leader of the Council, to ESC, where he said "I recognise that we are all here to look after the interests of East Suffolk and when there is an opportunity for us to work together to achieve something I will not be afraid to grasp it." Councillor Beavan suggested that the Leader was not grasping opportunities for East Suffolk.
The Leader, in raising a point of order, commented that the Motion had not been formally proposed by Councillor Beavan.
Councillor Beavan formally proposed the Motion, which was seconded by Councillor Deacon - "We call on the Administration to use all the talents, enthusiasm and experience available from councillors across all political parties to effect the best governance for all the people of East Suffolk."
The Chairman invited the Council to debate the proposed Motion.
The Leader, at this point, submitted an amendment to the Motion, as follows - "Membership of the formal Committees and Sub Committees of East Suffolk Council is determined under the terms of the Local Government Committees and Political Groups Regulations 1990. For appointments where this does not apply East Suffolk Council will continue to be cognisant of and use all the talents, enthusiasm and experience available from all councillors to deliver against our Strategic Plan, thus realising the best outcomes for all residents of East Suffolk."
The amendment to the Motion was seconded by Councillor Cook.
It was suggested by Councillor Beavan that the amendment to the Motion negated his original Motion. The Monitoring Officer, after considering the amendment, stated that in his view it did not negate the original Motion.
The Council moved to the vote on the proposed amendment, which was by a majority vote carried. The proposed amendment therefore became the Substantive Motion.
The Chairman invited the Leader to speak to his Motion.
The Leader stated he was pleased to hear that Councillor Bevan had such confidence in his own skills and abilities and he hoped that his belief was shared by the ward members that he represented. It was however disappointing, the Leader added, to hear that Councillor Beavan had no such faith in the rest of the elected members being also able to use their skills and experience to good effect. The Leader reported that the members that had been allocated to the Southwold Harbour Management Committee were all cabinet members who were selected by himself to serve on Cabinet because they had the skills and experience necessary to understand and influence the various challenges in their individual portfolios. They sat on the management Committee as cabinet members, not Conservatives, and they were subjected to a rigorous skills audit and application process a process.
The Leader added that the Cabinet was of course formed by the controlling party and he added that in the 2019 local elections the Conservative Party was supported by over 52,000 electors; in comparison Councillor Beavan's own party received only 15,500 votes. The Conservatives returned 40 of the 55 seats whereas his party returned three. This, the Leader stated, indicated to him that the vast majority of the electorate had put their faith in this Administration and its ability to deliver outcomes that were both measured and sustainable. The cabinet members that sat on the Southwold Harbour Management Committee were not only cognisant of the work and ambitions of the Committee but were also well placed to fully understand and influence the wider work of the Council. They were ably supported by a group of independently appointed members who brought industry specialisms and local knowledge to the table. The Leader stated that Councillor Bevan was encouraged on more than one occasion to seek appointment to one of those positions but he had not done that.
At this point, the Cabinet Member with responsibility for Resources outlined the long and detailed process with regard to the formation of the HMC; he advised that work had been ongoing for many years and during that time there had been multiple joint meetings, negotiations and public consultations. In addition legal advice had been sought from experts in the field. Councillor Cook highlighted the skills assessment for the HMC, saying that it was both constructed and conducted with reference to Ashfords Solicitors and following public consultation on the skills audit and terms of reference for the Stakeholders' Advisory Group; all applicants for the co-opted member appointments were interviewed by a panel consisting of the Leader, Ian Bradbury of Southwold Town Council and an independent person recommended by Ashfords Solicitors, and Councillor Cook advised of the appointments made and their CVs/ experience. Councillor Cook advised that Councillor Beavan was not a member of the Cabinet and therefore did not qualify. In conclusion, it was confirmed that the Committee would continue to be cognisant of and use all of the extensive talents, enthusiasm and experience available in the many challenges that laid ahead.
Councillor Deacon referred to the speech made by the Leader, at ESC's first Full Council meeting, where he had spoken about his plans for the road ahead, saying that he looked forward to working with all members and that he would not be afraid to grasp the opportunity to work together to achieve something. Councillor Deacon quoted from an email from the Leader, dated 13 June 2019, in which he said that he was determined to tap into the skills, experience and interests of all councillors and to maximise the impact that all members could make together as a Council. The Leader had also said that he would be welcoming input and contributions from all councillors irrespective of party alignment. Councillor Deacon referred to the skills audit form, which had been sent to all councillors, with just just under 30 responses, which had been sent to the Member Development Steering Group. Councillor Deacon questioned the point of submitting those forms. Councillor Deacon acknowledged that committees had to be politically balanced, and that outside body places were the gift of the ruling party, but he suggested that the Council should be using the skills of all members. Councillor Deacon referred to his own many years of experience working at the Port of Felixstowe and added that he was pleased to represent ESC on the Local Authority Port of Felixstowe Liaison Group which he commented was a prime example of a member's skill being well used, and he hoped put to good use. On the other hand, Councillor Deacon commented, his Group Leader, who had combined experience of some 20 years as a Coastguard and a Special Constable, had not been asked to provide any informal input on public safety issues. Councillor Deacon suggested that now was the time to look at the ESC Constitution, and general practices, so that the current Administration could tap into all member skills for the benefit of the whole community, as hoped for by the Leader. Councillor Deacon also suggested that the Environmental Task Group should be expanded to include additional and informed opposition members; Councillor Deacon suggested that this should be the forum to exemplify cross-party co-operation on the most significant issue that affected everybody. In conclusion, Councillor Deacon suggested that this would be the perfect opportunity to lay down a benchmark to use the hidden skills of members.
In response, the Leader confirmed that he stood by everything that Councillor Deacon had relayed; he stated the importance of the skills of all members being used in the best way possible. The Leader, referring to the Environment Task Group, stated that it was a really good and efficient cross-party group that fed back into the Cabinet and provided a steer as to what was going on. The Leader referenced the legislation relating to the political balance of committees and commented that that was applied but it did not stop any member attending any committee and speaking to cabinet members who were always available.
The Leader, referring back to comments made earlier by Councillor Beavan, in respect of Councillor Patience no longer sitting on the Suffolk County Council Joint Flood Risk Management Scrutiny Panel, stated that he wished to clarify that the Appointments to Outside Bodies were set out in the ESC Constitution, and were generally carried out by Full Council for non Executive functions and by Cabinet for Executive functions. There were, the Leader stated, presently two exceptions to this, one being the Suffolk County Council Joint Flood Risk Management Scrutiny Panel and the other being the Suffolk County County Council Health Scrutiny Committee. The appointments of these two outside bodies were carried out by the Scrutiny Committee, with the rationale for that being that members who sat on the Scrutiny Committee were given a great deal of training on how to effectively carry out the scrutiny function. The appointment to these outside bodies being decided by the Scrutiny Committee was therefore predicated with the expectation that it would be members of that Committee that would be appointed. For clarity, the Leader added, Councillor Patience was not a member of the Scrutiny Committee.
Referring back to the comments made by Councillor Deacon, the Leader asked that if there were any members that thought that they had something to offer, that was not being used to good effect, could they contact the relevant Cabinet Member and offer their services.
Councillor Brambley-Crawshaw, after referring back to earlier comments by the Leader, stated that in the last East Suffolk election, the majority of people did not vote Conservative, it was, she added, a quirk of the electoral system that put the Conservative Group at the healm. Councillor Brambley-Crawshaw added that political proportionality on committees and other decision making groups was an important safeguard from dictatorship or even one party rule.
Councillor Gooch stated that she wished to make some comments, in support of the spirit of the original Motion and to echo the comments of Councillor Deacon, who spoke on behalf of the Labour Group. Councillor Gooch advised that she had served on the East Suffolk Travellers' Association, having been voted on by the former Waveney District Council; Councillor Gooch added that she continued to attend, when possible, even though she no longer sought nominations through ESC, because it seemed pointless. Councillor Gooch then referred to the City of Culture bid, and highlighted that she had several degrees which she considered to be relevant, and she would have happily contributed to the bid and substance, had she been given the opportunity. Referring back to the original Motion, Councillor Gooch commented that the substance of it was for it to be a more inclusive Council, so that the residents' needs could be served.
Councillor Bird, after endorsing the comments of the Leader in respect of the Scrutiny Committee and outside body representatives, and in referring to the amended Motion and using the talents of all councillors, commented that the Scrutiny Committee was a perfect example of that and he highlighted a recent training course for non members of the Scrutiny Committee and the two members who Councillor Bird asked to join him, in presenting, were Councillor Deacon, his Vice-Chairman, who he valued, and also Councillor Gooch, who he selected because she was a teacher. Councillor Bird referred to the one Task and Finish Group which had so far been set up by the Scrutiny Committee, and commented that the Chairman of that Group was Councillor Beavan. Councillor Bird also referred to a scoping form in respect of a full review of the Council's response to the Covid-19 crisis, which would be considered by the Scrutiny Committee at its next meeting, the author of which was Councillor Beavan. In conclusion, Councillor Bird was of the view, and he hoped that members agreed, that the Scrutiny Committee worked cross-party and, as Chairman, he valued all of the talents that the members brought.
The Leader, in his only closing remarks, commented on the points made by Councillor Gooch in respect of the City of Culture bid; he confirmed that, at this point, a bid had not been submitted, it was an expression of interest that had been submitted. The Leader stated that he was grateful for the information that Councillor Gooch had provided to officers, and the Leader gave a guarantee that he would be looking for all members to input to the bid; their skills gained externally, and as ward members, would he said be vital.
There being no further debate it was by a majority vote
RESOLVED
"Membership of the formal Committees and Sub Committees of East Suffolk Council is determined under the terms of the Local Government Committees and Political Groups Regulations of 1990. For appointments where this does not apply East Suffolk Council will continue to be cognisant of and use all the talents, enthusiasm and experience available from all councillors to deliver against our Strategic Plan, thus realising the best outcomes for all residents of East Suffolk."
The Chairman moved to the section Motion "East Suffolk District Council recognises the importance of reducing its carbon emissions both to mitigate the worst effects of climate change and to build a strong low carbon economy to ensure a stable future for East Suffolk. Reducing our carbon emissions is in line with our own environmental policy, the UK government's Climate Change Act 2008 and the Paris Agreement. Without local government introducing carbon budgets and targets, the national government is unlikely to meet its targets to reduce overall carbon emissions. This Council recognises that having an open and transparent carbon budget will help us stay on target to reduce our carbon emissions. Therefore, this Council will include an annual carbon budget, setting out our target for reduced carbon emissions, alongside the council's revenue and capital budgets. The first carbon budget should be included within the final 2022/23 budget and be approved by full council at the same time as the financial budget."
In accordance with the Council's Constitution it was proposed by Councillor Topping and seconded by Councillor Gooch "That the Motion be discussed immediately". On it being put to the vote the Motion was lost.
The Leader, after referring to the vote being lost and the constitutional need for the Motion to now be referred to the Cabinet or the most relevant Committee, firstly commented that the members sitting opposite had failed to do their research; this Council was, he said, fully committed to its environmental agenda through its well respected and ambitious cross-party Environment Task Group, which continued to monitor and address carbon emissions; he added that the Chairman of the Task Group, Councillor Mallinder, was better placed to explain the intricacies of the monitoring process. The Leader added that he doubted many members, himself included, fully understood how a carbon budget was set and monitored, and that was why there was a well informed Task Group to act on the Council's behalf. The Leader concluded that, at this meeting, there was not the time or expertise to deal with this Motion, to fully understand what a carbon budget setting process would look like, what it would cost in terms of resources and officer time. The Leader added that the Motion did not provide any tangible benefit to ESC's stated aims and, as such, the Motion would be referred to the Cabinet which would then ask the Environment Task Group to continue to address these matters on the Council's behalf.
After Councillor Brambley-Crawshaw and Councillor Beavan asking if there was a right to reply after the Leader's speech, the Chief Executive and the Monitoring Officer advised that the matter was now closed. The Chief Executive advised that the the opportunity for debate on this subject would be at the Environment Task Group.